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WHOOPS Patricio, two of the same posts, I'm messing up more than my computer. Would you mind removing one? Thanks.
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haven't yet tried export, erased your double subject, come back after a try :)
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OK, I've found out a few things. I still can only save at actual size, none of the bigger sizes work, they are all garbled color. BUT I can save the layered psd now. I must start the viewer, and make sure the layers icon is pressed so that all layers show. Then I can export it. This is a big help, at least I now have a chance to make this a viable app.... more experimenting to follow.
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Of course it look great. It's fantastic to work with it on my iphone.
But I have problems with viewer too. In my imac crashes every time I want to play the video and export the image.
In my macbook works but not the video performance don't run as well and when I export a large image, both in psd in jpg, results are horrific. Nothing to do with the original.
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i can export till 2048x2048... for one of tje four files i did, the others stay in 512x512 :(
psd colors are saturated, also on .mov
and lines are largest than real.
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Whew, I'm glad it's not just me, since there are universal problems with the viewer, and export they will address them I hope.
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Besides this problems with viewer (uf, I hope too. On Spain we say: 'mal de muchos, consuelo de tontos') I don't like zoom and motion feeling. What do you think?
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I agree with you the zoom in and out are quite cumbersome, not smooth at all. I feel we've been spoiled by brushes zooming. Though I like the color and brush picker in one spot. I also think reaction time on color eye dropper is slow.... Some if my problems may be old touch model.
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suzi54241 edited this topic 35 months ago.
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With an iphone 3G I have the same feelings.
Moreover, I love of brushes.app the speedless for color gradation painting with a high transparency and giving speedly tonalities around it. With layers only you can do it if previous layer is opaque, as with brushes. If color of environment is a mix of layers you can ever modify transparency (I think I didn't explain well with this, sorry)
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I understand what you mean.... I did post another "review" over at brushes" in your new thread. I think we want a perfect app. And I'm hoping between brushes and layers there will be one. I know there are still more out there being worked on, so I keep telling myself be patient. But it's hard when we're so close to having it all....
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Hi
I haven't tried to export using the Layers app. I save it to photo and open it in Brushes. otoh I can't get the layers thing to work for me; I'll practice. I do love the choice of brushes though. I just keep playing with them. It's not perfect though.
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jose andrés and susan, i agree with what you are saying, it would be profitable to say this in the layers forum
layersforiphone.com/forums/
where jose andrés started a crash topic, but what is saying susan is also very important i think to make this app the app for artists in iphone.
meanwhile for me, the best is still brushes :)
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patricio villarroel (a group admin) edited this topic 35 months ago.
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I actually enjoy the difference to Brushes, cause I have to build up new skills now (which I always enjoy), and I dont really mind the bugginess at this point (release early, release often :)
The brush tips yield very different results, I still think square format is not the best design decision.
I like the tabbed brush/color view and stepped in/decreasement of tip sizes.
I still dislike the auto show/hide of the interface :)
The final version is way snappier than the one i tested, still Brushes beats them all.
I think I will use Layers mainly for outlined, sketchy stuff whereas Brushes gets my color-dripping painter love :)
@lln not sure if that's what you address: you can pick up alpha-transparencies in Layers by choosing current layer (tap on eyedropper)
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@susan took me some time to get your issues with psd, now I caught up: so far I mailed the psd from within the app and that always seemed to work fine. oh well, the viewer! I'm sure though Ben will resolve that, maybe it would have been better not to release both apps at a time.....
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I agree with you all, the zoom and paning are no easy to control. I still like it.. Not only because of layers (having no layers on Brushes push me to improve) but I see a lot of possibilities with all those textured brushes. It's not so far when I first had Brushes in my hands and I had to used to it. I'll test Layers, trying to do what I did with Brushes: try watercolor, oil, ink look. If you remember that great artist Xoan Baltar, almost all his drawings have this outline look we still have with Layers ...now think of great Susan's work... Totally (amazing) different but the same app. I mean, be patience to get used to it.
In the other hand, I have Colors too, and is pretty good, but I still preffer Brushes.
What I totally hate is when I pick a color and its take it Totally opaque. That makes me have to open color tool and choose the alpha (I think) I had...so, better if I choose the color directly from here.
Another thing is the fact that the features he promises, don't exist (yet) but I have Already bought it. What if Ben don't fix it?..or worst...can't fix it?
It's a great app, and I love the color/brushes menu. We can use the brushes stuff for making very original works, just give it time ;))
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@Ben and Luis: Chossing color with the eyedropper (how embarrassing!) I can select the color of one layer with his transparency or mixed tap color, but opaque. But I can't choose mixed color with alpha value of the last brush, as a brushes.app
to my way of working is the most uncomfortable of Layers.
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@lln ah now i get it, si! that's missing, needed for blending colors. I didnt realize that yet :(
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That´s a big problem to me too..! I do work the same way!
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I just now download a new update 1.0.3 and viewer issues are resolve. Good work!!
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View problem seems resolved for me too, will try some more work later today.
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Do you can (only for one time) upload a large size image with any sketch of Layers?. I want to see hish definition strokes of a master. On my works I don't like them.
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Loving Layers! I can't go back to working on just 1 flat canvas now... Even if Layers isn't quite perfect the advantages of having layers to work with makes it my new default iPhone painting app.
The exported high resolution images have slightly rough/sharp brush strokes to them. I guess it also depends on the brush. It reminds me of the first version of the Brushes Viewer that has since been improved to give softer strokes on exported images. Here's my first painting exported at full resolution: www.flickr.com/photos/networkshadow/3740487928/
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Thanks a lot for share this larged size image. Very good painting.
It's sure I need more practice and learning with Layers.
But I don't like at a big size the intermittent or dentate (I don't know if I say correct) texture of brush; for example in your painting the verticals fine lines of the background at right. I feel it very 'artificials'
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dear monoappuser, you exagerate because you are affraid to changing your favourite app ;-)))
i don't feel artificial the lines you talk about...
great work anyway NS !
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Like Luis mentioned above, the fact that the eyedropper defaults to 100% of the new color is problematic, and results in breaking your rhythm. The square canvas is clunky, but the possibilities of using multiple layers is exciting. Big downer for me is that 'app-smashing' just doesn't work well currently; sometimes images exported to Camera from other apps work OK, other times they are stretched, rotated 90 degrees, or just don't import at all. Aarrgh. Transparent layers mean that you can have separate 'ink' and 'paint' layers, but this has limited value now because you cannot erase pixels on the transparent layer. The brush options are very nice, and I'm having fun exploring them. Someone may have mentioned this in a different post , but Layers' brushes seem more feathery and dry visually than Brushes' brushes, which feel more liquid and fresh. Or maybe I'm crazy on this? The tracking is great for finger and Pogo; I'm finding that I can get more control, but possibly at the expense of creativity...I feel myself getting into a tightness that comes with my Photoshop workflow. I feel like Brushes is to Corel Painter/ what Layers is to Photoshop. Brushes and Painter feel more intuitive, and more 'right-brain'...
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Totally agree with Matt and after some days of trying I must say, that I really appreciate how *different* Layers is. Cause it resets my learning curve back to zero, calling for different techniques (compared to Brushes). I wish more ppl would post their first crap (like mine, awful so far hahaha), am sure in a month from now we'll see very different, still very cool and elaborate fingerpainting art.
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@patricio villarroel Thanks!
I do agree that Brushes has more "liquid" feel to the brushes that is good. However there's almost no difference between the two apps besides the layers feature and slightly different UI. I wouldn't go as far as to say the two apps are night and day (ie Photoshop / Painter). There are only a max of 5 layers, so it's not going to turn into 50+ layer Photoshop project (as my PSDs often do)...
@Matt_Connors "Transparent layers mean that you can have separate 'ink' and 'paint' layers, but this has limited value now because you cannot erase pixels on the transparent layer."
I'm not sure where you are getting this... The eraser allows you to erase pixels on any layer with any amount of transparency. This gives Layers a huge advantage over Brushes because you can erase part of a painting without destroying work on other layers above/behind it; for example a background.
The eye dropper problem is caused by the fact that we can now have transparent layers... It's not a problem in Brushes because it's all flat. I'm sure it will be fixed in future versions.
I do like the square canvas because I don't really need to change to landscape to paint a wider picture unless it's helpful to see it in landscape. I do agree that panning and zooming could use some tweaking... Maybe a better way to zoom to 100% quickly would be nice also.
It's a wonderful 1.0 version of Layers. I can't wait to see how it's improved in future updates.
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Wow. My bad; I didn't read the instructions (I am a guy, after all) before diving in. I was dead wrong about the eraser, because I didn't see it in the palette window. My mistake, and I apologize- this is a great tool! But why isn't it the eraser tool on the main window?
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love listening to you all! :-)
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I did run into an odd glitch today; I had 4 layers and was 'inking' on top layer. I closed the app, and came back in, and I lost all of my changes on the file since last night, back to my initial sketch. This is especially odd because I dipped into the file about 5 times while files were saving on my computer.
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I posted this in the group pool. It's a comparison of original 512x512 paintings vs the exported larger format images. It's not quite as good as the Brushes export yet, and I'm still getting some bugs...
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@Matt, I lost one of layer, too. When I do last save last night, my work do have 4 layer, white bg, ref. photo, color and line sketch(this is the final touch). Today, reopen that work, I found the line sketch layer was gone. I do think this Layer 1.0 have bugs. Hope they can fix up.
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ideo, post this bug on the layers forum, developper is hearing all the bug requests :
layersforiphone.com/forums/
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Ok, I will try that, thanks for remaind.
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I'm heading to the forum, why would everything stop working today, it had been fine...
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What I love about Layers is the choice of brushes and textures. I don't really use the layers all that much. Funny that Brushes should be deficient in brushes.
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alright, so i have read through all of your comments and finally tried layers. echoing whta most of you are saying I really do like the brush options and my favorite is flicking the layers back and forth. I havent finished a complete sketch yet but I am havening a blast with shadow and texture experiments.
At this point I am still a die hard brushes.app user.
I have yet to export, so i hope some of the issues are ironed out before I get to that point. I love the work eveyone has done so far.
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jus5tin [deleted] says:
i like layers its ok i like the brush and colour in the same place, not so good is the colour picker. i cant use it, it takes to long to register by that time ive made a brush mark, not selected the colourpicker:/
the pds export worked ok for me, like others have said though, the colours did seem to change. i havnt used it much yet so i will reserve judgment. seems ok though so far.
1st impressions it doesn't seem as natural or as fluid as brushes and the images not as painterly. bt maybe thats my lack of skills:)
loving all the new works you guys been making. especially susiq wow amazing stuff.
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I'm wishing there was some form of iPhone stylus that actually worked. The ones out there seem to work well for tapping, but not for swiping.
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Layers is still very frustrating for me, it's cumbersome when compared to Brushes...I'm still having issues with the 'disappearing layers', but there are additional glitches: the eyedropper not selecting the color correctly, and defaulting to a neon green; that pesky full opacity default when you do eyedrop a color; the sloooowness of the brushstrokes when compared to Brushes. I make a lot of strokes, and with the current brush speed, I make a half-dozen strokes and wait for the app to catch up, which hampers the sense of immediacy that fingerpainting should have. My biggest frustration is that I really think that it has tremendous potential, but is just not fun to use...
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I agree you at all, Matt
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update: so after a week of messing around, i've gotten better with navigating the UI. I agree with Matt as well. I have encountered the similar problems. My main grip is the tilt to bring up the menu. I use my iphone at work alot on my desk and its a habit thing to tap to bring up the menu.I wonder if it is quicker on the iphone 3GS, I have the original iphone from 07 and lags in some game apps, i wonder if I just need to upgrade.
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Hi All,
My layers is not working for me. It stalls when loading images I try to pull from Brushes...and then it shuts down. either it will pull the image and save it, and erase any other work that I have done in the app OR it doesn't pull it up at all AND it DELETES the work that I have done. Also, it moves very very slow when drawing/painting. the paint doesn't lay down, so I have a difficult time seeing. Is anyone else having these problems.
Also, now the issues with pulling from my photos (I store the images under my photos when when moving from one app to another) has filtered into Brushes. I'm thinking maybe I should uninstall Layers. I do not know what I will do if my beloved Brushes stops working!!!!! It is my main sketchbook these days. :-(
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I have the crashing/deleting problem with layers too, but I use it because I love the brushes. I try to remember to save to photos or duplicate often. It's a pain. It needs an update. Also I would love some more textures or brushes.
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The Infield [deleted] says:
VERY frustrating stuff! I don't think I can use Layers much longer. I had worked on a painting for a few hours. I saved it, went back and forth, etc. Then this latest time I opened the file all of my layers except my base layer (a sky I painted) are GONE! How ridiculous.
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Today I'm having trouble even opening layers. It's very frustrating. I wonder if I can download a new version of if.
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you tried to switch off your iThingo ?
if so, i'm also having problems but randomly... wonder if it comes from too much files kept in the gallery ?
i don't know... hope it will work again for you helen !
@steve : post that at the layers forum, ben gotow is hearing the users there ! layersforiphone.com/forums/
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I am also having difficulty exporting. When I first installed Layers Viewer on my Macbook, it imported two paintings ok but then stalled. Eventually it tried importing part of my latest painting, but when I played it back, I saw the movie had stopped a third of the way through.
I tried emailing myself a still of that third painting as a psd file so that I could at least keep the layers, but it has patches of transparency and is also incomplete.
I'm very impressed with the size at which Layers can export when it behaves itself though.
There is however the disadvantage that it does slow down when I have been working on it for a while. Selecting colours becomes particularly sticky.
Maybe the number of layers is a bit over-ambitious and we should be limited to fewer??
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I tried deleting a lot of paintings from the gallery and restarting my iThing and try again. It does really need an update for stability. I would hate to give it up.
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I am very puzzled by the suggestion we should put a photo on a layer - see the Tips - the one titled something like 'Use A Photo'. It suggests erasing a layer above a photo to reveal part of it.
I have hunted high and low, but nowhere can I find any way to import a picture to work on, as you can in Brushes.
Does anyone know what this means?
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1 new layer with the + buttom
2 choice layer with picture
3 choose a photo
4 new layer (+) with current color (black for instance)
5 choice this one to work
6 choice the eraser you want
7 erase, the photo on first layer will appear
with this method you have to remember where is the detail you want to make appear.
hope this help
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Layer is working fine after I deleted a lot of old dupes. I'm happy again.
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yesterday i made a restore to my iScratch (i could not get more images in my photo album even when there was many one or fresh one).
so long so long and nervous about getting back my work...
result : brushes, have the same library, layers also (well, that were already bad stayed bad), inspire was blank, no more works.
after a bad nite, all seems to work correctly :)
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Oh cuz, that sounds pretty scary. I'm sorry about your Inspire library. That's awful. I have nightmares about my iPhone dying. I'm really happy it's all working well again though.
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Patricio, I've only just found your reply to my question about adding a photo. Thank you so much. I don't want to work from photos very often, but I was getting very frustrated not being able to find how to do it.
...Really sorry about your album and library troubles! Hope I'm right in thinking all your work has come back home again now.
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thank you valerie for you kind thoughts
all work is on viewer and have to save it to computer... anyway, all this is for me something like a workshop where not so many in my concern are good to show outside :)
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jus5tin [deleted] says:
i would like to add that the pogo stylus is an excellent little stylus for use with these painting apps on iphone all works very well. nice n cheap on ebay also. search pogo stylus.
im sure a lot of you already know this but i didn't know there was such a stylus and it makes painting/drawing on iphone apps a joy!
so far no problems with layers at all, some minor transparency and colour issues when psd export but nothing major..and with the pogo stylus im loving it.
happy painting fellow iphone art app peoples:)
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Hi I am a total "newbee" to Layers and drawing on iPhone so please excuse my stupid question.
Can someone please give me a list of all the apps you are using beside Layers? Like Photo enhancement, other drawing/painting tools? Would be very appreciated. Thanks a lot.
However I just use it for fun and some stupid comic like stuff :-)
Not too serious, but I'd like to practice and enhance.
By the way I'm really impressed by all these artworks you guys doing!!
Happy painting.
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hello dmark, sorry for late reply :
here are the apps i use with abbreviations :
brushes2 (br)
layers (L)
inspire (i)
artists touch (at)
kandinsky lite (kl) no more available
photo fx (fx)
photogene (phg)
artisan (a)
101 photoeffects (101)
spinart (sp)
vihgo (v)
eastern draw (ed)
jackson pollock (jp)
paintbook (pb)
mill colour (m)
no photo realistic painter (nptr)
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patricio villarroel (a group admin) edited this topic 33 months ago.
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And some more, if anyone is still following this thread:
Paintbook
No 2
ColorTilt
DoodleBuddy
Sketchbook
ZeusDraw
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