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@Alfred Russel Wallace
i don't own a car and i used flickr to show people how to do an install of solar panels in an urban environment. stop making generalizations. shouldn't you be out feeding the poor rather than trolling here?
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So where are all the FlickrStaff now?
Copyright (What's Yours is Yours)
NOTICE AND PROCEDURE FOR MAKING CLAIMS OF COPYRIGHT OR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT
Yahoo! respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same.
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@ Alfred Russel Wallace
The self-righteous reactions here are priceless.
How is it self righteous to demand what you want, as users and customers?
Oil companies routinely desecrate the environment and ignore human rights in third world countries in their ever increasing search for more petroleum reserves so you Flickr users can drive around and get your photos. And yet, it's Flickr merging with Yahoo that drives us to strong reaction.
Yes, obviously everyone who wants to do something good should sell their house, leave their family on the street and do good, else they aren't doing enough.
Yahoo! sold out the information of a person to a government with a known history and record of human rights abuse. That may not be bad in your book, but for those of us who care about such things, it is.
I assume that those of you spouting your liberal-sounding tripe about Yahoo's human rights violations are also walking or biking to your next photographic outing?
Some of us swim, too.
If not, pipe down and find something worth crying about.
Folks are expressing their dissatisfaction about something that they feel strongly about. They are the users, and it is their right to complain (and if you are a paid user, you become a customer - your wants and needs should figure in what the company does).
Here, Yahoo! and Flickr have both blatantly ignored what the users want and this forum is evidence enough.
Obviously, that says one of two things -- either you do not care about your users and customers, or that it was in error.
And to quote Orlando A. Battista -- "An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
If asking for what you need isn't "worth" crying about, I must be quite mistaken about what is worth crying about?
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Alfred Russel Wallace:
You're a troll.
Go find a bridge to live under.
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www.DaveWard.net says:
We stuck around after the acquisition because we trusted Flickr's staff to prevent this sort of thing. And when it was announced, we -- unlike you -- held on to some iota of hope that Flickr's staff could be enlightened and have a change-of-mind and change-of-heart. When I was a kid, one day my mother said to me "You have been nasty, you won't get any presents for your birthday". I was all like "That's impossible, they can't do that, I didn't do it on purpose after all". I can't even remember today what I had done, but I was absolutely convinced that it was not going to happen, that my parents wouldn't have the heart to leave their child without birthday presents. They loved me, didn't they?
Until my birthday came, and I got up in the morning, and there weren't any presents. Not a single one.
Meh. Thank you, flickr, for bringing back childhood memories. My birthday is in March.
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> i don't own a car and i used flickr ...
> stop making generalizations.
Then I'll be more specific and ask ye olde town crier if he drives a car - a question I suspect he'll ignore. And if so, is he as concerned about the human rights violations of petrol-producing corporations as he is about those of Yahoo?
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Again I want my money back!
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Wallace has no legit pictures, no favorites, and no contacts. His profile is bogus.
He is a troll, plain and simple.
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At least I am now beginning to understand why Yahoo bought Flickr. But discussion about the copyright issue probably belongs in that thread, not here. Here we are concerned with the login issue, in case anybody forgot. ;-)
@donderwolkje: Try Flick off for migration suggestions.
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There's a message board on the wii page where you can give feedback directly to Yahoo. One forum is called "wii site feedback". I've made a thread in it adressing the issue (borrowing some of the words you guys have used in this thread).
Most of you have Yahoo IDs now, so you can leave your comments in that forum as well.
messages.wii.yahoo.com/Message_Boards/forumview?bn=YGM-Wi...
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Don't feed the trolls.
I wonder if my last photo will appear on the Yahoo Wii page?
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> You're a troll.
I have asked a few questions and made a few points about the world with a broader view than I suspect many of you are accustomed to. That makes me a troll? Have I called anyone names or said anything inappropriate or obscene? How am I a troll? Because I ask things that some of you don't care to hear? Because I put this into the proper perspective which makes the overreacting look a bit silly?
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It's crap. I was perfectly content to keep paying (see, I'm a customer). I don't really give a crap about 3K contacts or 75 tags or even copyright infringement, I just don't need or want yet another password to remember, change, etc. Yahoo has a bad habit of deleting accounts for non-activity, hope they don't decide to delete my photos.
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QUICK REMINDER LESSON
To block a person:
Hover your mouse over that user's avatar, click on the blue down arrow, and select the bottommost item on the drop-down menu:
"Block [userid]"
Click the box to confirm your choice.
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@Quiplash!
Ah yes. The classic head-in-the-sand approach. Nicely played.
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I think it's completely outrageous that Thomas Hawks keeps replying people about his bloody (and crappy) site on an official old skool merge topic.
One question to you, sir:
Are you stupid or what?
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My main niggle with the merge is: I don't want another damned login to have to remember, or to have to log into every x days!!! There are already far too many for me to try to remember, I have no reason whatsoever to use a Yahoo e-mail address, and I don't see it as fair that the big red Y can monopolize on a community such as this.
Buy the site, yes. Sell ads, fine. No quibbles with that, helps keep the site running. But don't force us to use your e-mail addresses... I'm perfectly happy with Gmail, thank you very much, and would rather allow someone else who wants the account I would waste.
(I'm also rather concerned if this reported freeloading of pictures is true, I would never want mine used for commercial purposes without explicit permission.
By the by, what exactly happens if we don't merge our accounts?
Like many others, I don't see the point in having the merge option, and I just think it would have been easier (and saved one helluvalot of bad image) to have left the login system the way it was.
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Please, people, digg this:
www.digg.com/business_finance/OUTRAGEOUS_Yahoo_t_STEALS_c...
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I think this says it all.
flickr.com/photos/digilee/368161449/
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Question: What can flickrHoo! do or say to us all now that will make us go "Oooooohhh!! OK! That's fair enough!" ??
Have Yahoo's lawyers write up in both legalese and plain English, legally-binding statements that the Flickr copyright license overrides the Yahoo copyright license. Basically, stop what they're doing with copyrighted images and promise (in a legally binding manner) that they won't ever do it again.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Sell ads, fine. No quibbles with that,
I think there were a LOT of quibbles with that...
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yah, sorry to pile it on, but I'm not gonna be using flickr anymore.
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I think it's hilarious that the Yahoo Wii site showing Flickr shots, is showing a bunch of screenshots of Wii characters (Mii's?) As we all know, screenshots aren't considered photos, and against Flickr's use policies, and should be set to nipsa, and shouldn't be able to appear on the Yahoo Wii page. So it's like, wrong/squared.
should be a fun week, even after someone official chimes in with an interpretation of Yahoo's "We own you!" TOS...
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@Shhexycorin:
Well, I meant from a personal view there... (I block all ads on pages anyway myself, just be thankful they didn't give us that damned mosquito-zapper one)
Just saying that, for me, this merging issue has to be the most negative decision towards users that Flickr has made.
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I have read all of the Flickr staff responses in this thread so far, and still haven't seen a satisfying answer to the following concerns:
1) Yahoo!'s TOS appears to allow Yahoo! to use our photos in ways that Flickr's does not. The Wii controversy seems to be the first example of this loophole being badly abused by Yahoo!.
2) Yahoo!'s login requires personal information including full name, gender, and birthdate, which Flickr's does not. This raises a real privacy concern for people who cannot safely share such information. People who need anonymity could lie about their personal info, but only at the risk of having their account deleted for violating the TOS.
3) Yahoo! has a terrible track record of deleting people's accounts without warning or reason, and then failing to respond to users' concerns about same. This would be a real disaster for most Flickr users, because it would mean instant and irrevocable deletion of years' worth of photos, comments, etc. This is the stuff of nightmares.
Heather, Stewart, George, and the rest of the gang: I love you guys and know you have our best interests at heart. Can you please respond to these concerns and put them to rest once and for all?
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Back on pages 4, 6, 7, etc, a few people mentioned their distress at being unable to find a decent yahoo login at this point, or to use their email address as their yahoo login.
Rubbish.
Your email is bozo@clown.com?
Your new yahoo username: bozoatclowndotcom
problem of ridiculous, unrememberable login ID solved.
NOW do I get a present??
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I have lost track of how many yahoo accounts i have made only to be deleted after 4 months of non-use. I usually login to flickr quite often but say I'm inactive for a few months, it will be terrible to have things deleted.
My Y! accounts are expendable - I don't really care when they delete old emails (except its a hassle to create a new one to access some service). But if my flickr account were gone, I'd be pissed.
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#$%^, I just switched to OS X due to Vista now I have to switch to another photo service because some idiot came up with this idea (no way in hell i'm going to have my Yahoo account deleted like last time)... I never realized Microsoft and Yahoo had so much in common.
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By the by, what exactly happens if we don't merge our accounts? Nothing, I suppose. On March 15 they will remove the oldskool sign-in, so you won't be able to sign in to your account any more.
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When I read the email this morning, I felt anger, disappointment, and anxiety. I'm not an especially prolific Flickr user, but I've been here a while and I value the community. Community is the key to Flickr.
There are a lot of good photo sharing sites available. I spent the afternoon auditioning them. None of them have Flickr's community. Yet.
I have a lot of love for Flickr, but some very serious qualms about Yahoo. Yahoo's human rights record is disgraceful. Personally, I had a really bad experience with the customer support for Yahoo Domains. If, on top of such things, I had to settle for some nonsensical user ID from Yahoo's horribly overcrowded/polluted namespace, it might just push me over the edge.
I understand that maintaining developing for two different authentication/session systems would be a pain the ass, but unloading the pain onto the users is not the best answer.
This Yahoo ID issue isn't the straw that broke the camel's back, but the next decision that burns the Flickr community might be the last straw for a lot of users. Flickr staff: take note.
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aqui-ali mentioned this on page 1:
From the Flickr FAQ:
I'm going to delete my Yahoo! account. What happens to my Flickr photos?
If you associated your Flickr account with your Yahoo! ID and you delete your Yahoo! account, you won't be able to sign in to your Flickr account. And all your photos will be deleted.
Please tell me that isn't true ... has anyone addressed the issue of the deletion of yahoo accounts or inactive yahoo accounts and whether this affects photos on flickr ??
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/me gives somebonnie a kitten.
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Well, this sucks. I had a Yahoo account years ago (maybe it's still there...) but I moved away from using it because my user experience with Yahoo left something to be desired. Flickr is a great web app that I've really enjoyed and love because of all the plugins to all the other social apps on the scene.
I'm kind of surprised that this is happening - is my Del.icio.us account next in line?
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Please tell me that isn't true ... has anyone addressed the issue of the deletion of yahoo accounts or inactive yahoo accounts and whether this affects photos on flickr ??
yes, repeatedly.
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Not all of the unhappy users are posting on this forum. One of my friends deleted their account as soon as they received the email from Flickr. I shouldn't think they are the only one to do so.
In my experience of misguided decisions by internet companies, customers can wish and wish that a service hadn't gone bad, argue eloquently, even plead, but that won't make it right again.
My pro account expires in a couple of months: I won't be renewing.
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Thanks Rev Dan Catt -- I'll be sure to post lots of photos of it when it gets here :-)
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shining example, it's taking a long time to read this thread ... can you point me where it was or what the answer is?
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www.flickr.com/forums/help/32752/
Re NetworkPIMP's question from several pages ago on copyright/TOS (I'll come back to the wii thing later in the other thread):
Before saying anything, a meta-note: one thing I learned a long time ago (the hard way) about legal documents is that you while you can get a "plain English" explanation of the which may or may not make things clearer for you, that doesn't mean they are an acceptable substitute for the document itself.
In fact, I can't give you an alternative explanation of it, because that would just be a different agreement. The agreement is the agreement and though it may be hard to parse, it is written in a very deliberate and precise way using technical terms (jargon) and lawyers have special ways of understanding what might appear as normal English words to have special meanings.
However, I can point out the significant parts and offer my own personal interpretation which is not the official Yahoo! position -- because anything other than that and my homebrewed disclaimer above and the legal team (mostly ninjas) would kick me in the head (might do anyway).
As a few others have already pointed out, there is no material difference between the old (pre-acquisition) Flickr terms and the Yahoo! Universal Terms of Service when it comes to who owns your photos.
And as others have also pointed out, the relevant bit is under "9. CONTENT SUBMITTED OR MADE AVAILABLE FOR INCLUSION ON THE SERVICE", which begins "Yahoo! does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Service. However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo! the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s), as applicable".
The first bullet is about Yahoo! Groups, which is called out separately. The one that matters to Flickr is the second bullet:
"With respect to photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service other than Yahoo! Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo! removes such Content from the Service."
Get that? You grant Yahoo! "the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service," but not in an unqualified way. You do that "solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available."
The reason you have to grant Yahoo! that license is because otherwise you could upload a photo and we'd display it and then you'd say "hey! you're not allowed to do that!" This may seem too obvious to mention, but making little details like this explicit is the reason these documents get so long.
The second part, which I bolded, could be said to protect the uploader from uses which were not the ones that were imagined when uploading in the first place. It limits what Yahoo! can do. That should be pretty clear if you read it all slowly :)
And finally, "This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo! removes such Content from the Service."
This section gives you control over the license you are granting Yahoo! -- don't want to extend it any more? Remove the content. And, if we remove it, the license you granted us no longer exists and we can't display it any more.
So, there you have it. The original terms were written mostly by me in my best legal-sounding tone, but in the reviews that we did post-acquisition, they did not afford the people uploading the same measures of protection (e.g., no "solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available" clause). The same thing goes for the privacy policy by the way: in both cases, the agreements are more restrictive on what we are allowed to do and afford more rights to the people using Flickr.
And to wrap up that up with a disclaimer again, I'm just giving my best, honest interpretation. But it ain't worth squat: there is nothing more definitive or more clear than the TOU document itself. And if you are really worried about it, the best thing to do is do have it reviewed by a lawyer you trust who has expertise in the area.
A final note: given the early open and experimental nature of Flickr and our open API, there is some reasonable ambiguity in what "the purpose for which the content" was and is being submitted: does that include being available in the API? (If not does it include showing up in other users' favorites lists - it seems like that is part of the "purpose" of having it public on Flickr. And what about blogging, etc.?
But there aren't easy/obvious answers to this. We get yelled at every day by people who don't want their photos available in the API and equally be people who are mad that we're abridging developers' "rights". Our guiding principle has been to try to give each member as much control as possible (e.g., opting out of the API, turning off the "blog this" button on public photos, etc.) since people should be able to participate according to the degree to which they feel comfortable.
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shining example, has anyone really given a definitive answer to what happens if your associated Y!ID gets shut down? I read through the entire thing, but somehow I must have missed that.
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Stewart (STAFF): but the "solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available." does not apply to thumbnails (regardless of the copyright of the photo), correct?
see this thread: Flickr photos being joined to advertising -- without consent
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When I first read the email last night I turned and exclaimed outrage to a friend, then I quickly said, "I can't be alone on this." Shortly after I signed in using my original info and found this thread.
It's all well and good that some didn't have a problem and just quickly conformed. That's not my thing though. I like questioning and I still don't see exactly WHY we need to do merge accounts.
That Wii link was also very disappointing, and I not only have a Wii but I have photos here tagged with that.
Very disappointing.
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Flickr is still the best thing on the whole internet and free for a lot of people. I love you Flickr!
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Like the majority, I am sorely disappointed in the Flickr team for not being able to stand up to the Yahoo brass and protect the passionate user community it has built.
It is a sad day to be a "Flickereenoo".
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I've been using Flickr since Feb 2004, when it was really just a chat room you could drag photos into, and previously had been using Game Never Ending. I've got 5600+ photos and am in 300+ groups. I have much respect for Stewart, Caterina et al. My account's renewed up to Jan 2009. However I'm seriously considering ditching and just transferring all the photos to my own server, and lose out on all the cool features I currently enjoy here.
Stewart said:
* maintaining two separate systems is a pain, and
merging them is also evidently painful
* it causes little bits of confusion and friction for each Flickr member, whether they are old skool or not, and
does it? first time I've noticed any friction is when you try and do away with the old school
* it will be waste of resources to build out old skool sign in functionality in each new language when new language versions come out later this year, and
you must be joking? if you're building new language versions of the whole site, having to also maintain the old school login screens in same is trivial by comparison. maybe i underestimate what's involved of course.
* several new projects which require sign in outside of the flickr.com website already require Y!IDs to sign in (e.g., the mobile site at m.flickr.com and the new Yahoo! Go mobile) because offering multiple options in constrained environments makes the experience worse for the overwhelming majority who aren't old skool, and this will continue as Flickr moves to new devices and environments
i don't use these 'constrained environments', in fact wasn't really aware of their existence, and couldn't care less.
in short, all the above seem to me to be points which explain why it's going to be more convenient for Flickr/Yahoo! and not why it's going to be more convenient for us.
Stewart and the rest were doing some cool things before Flickr, and they're bound to continue doing cool things after it. I'm sure they have their own exit strategies already worked out. For me, transfer of all photos to my own server at some point will be mine. Will I leave before I'm forced to use Yahoo!? ... probably not, for now
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omnia and Michael Nagel, the issue of inactive yahoo accounts was addressed by stewart here.
it also says in the header that you will be able to change the yahoo! id your account is associated with in future.
I'm not sure anyone has said what happens if yahoo close down your account for some violation of their TOS.
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Stewart, I recall eons ago so much tension about what qualified as commercial use with the API, and there was an aknowlegdement that it was a grey area that was often decided upon case by case given the difficulty of defining it clearly:
"Was a small blog with google ads ok?" was one that comes to mind in particular... the many variants were discussed and pondered, and it ended [as far as I recall, correct me if I ma wrong] on the users trusting Flickr to navigate the nuances.
This "Brand Universe" paradigm seems so much more than that, and it seems like the issue was trampled over, in terms of public discourse.
I'm pretty sure everyone on Flickr staff did discuss it at length in the background, but it doesn't come across that way...
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After taking some more time to read pages of comments and replys by the Flickr staff it's obvious that they don't really care that they're ram rodding this change down old users throats.
I imagine that Stewart and the rest of the team knew what kind of response (outrage) they would get from their "first-users" and realized that even if they all left, Flickr would be okay.
Basically, go ahead and vent, but understand that it doesn't mean a thing to Flickr - they expect you to leave anyway.
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I've written up my experience merging and then having to un-merge my account over here.
The short version: it sucked!
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Yahoo acknowledges Wii mistake with regards to copyrights:
www.flickr.com/forums/help/32752/165536/
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Dan I want a kitten too, dagnabbit.
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shining example - i'm asking about inactive yahoo accounts, not inactive flickr accounts
in other words, if you have an inactive or deleted yahoo account, how does that affect your flickr account
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- Any Flickry applications you've downloaded (like the
Flickr uploaders or some of the kewl API applications other
Flickr members have built) may not work anymore because
your
account details have changed.
- If that's the case, you will need to get fresh copies and
set them up again. (It may be that your favorite
applications haven't updated yet, so check with the
developers before you merge.)
Great, so I have to fix Uploadr as well. Thanks!
/edit—Uploadr does still seem to login at the moment. Is it still using my Old Skool login details and will it break after the deadline?
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I'm not sure anyone has said what happens if yahoo close down your account for some violation of their TOS.
But that's exactly what I'm asking for. I was aware of the inactivity issue and responses, that's OK from a technical point of view. I want to know what happens if some automated system or corporate drone or unfounded abuse complaint leads to a Y!ID being shut down. Lots of people have complained about a bad track record for shutdowns without an explanation, a grace period or an appeals process, combined with nonexistent customer service. All answers so far lead me to believe that my Flickr account will be gone in an instant in such a case, but I'm hoping for a definitive answer from staff.
Edit: incomprehensible grammar in the last sentence.
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Ref. Advertising on Yahoo!
I didn't like it 17 months ago and I still don't like it. Especially I don't like this wii thing right now.
Stewart said that way back in this discussion Yahoo needs my personal information to target ads: I am paying for a Flickr pro account to not have any ads showing. How does this go together?
Also, I see that they want my gender and my zip code to personalize the ads, BUT why in the world do they need my phone number?!
I am on the national do-not-call list, so nobody may call me anyway - except "businesses I have a previous relationship with". So there's a pretty good loophole: I am awaiting a call from a Yahoo! solicitor anytime now, as I am now branded as having a previous business relationship with them...
Also, to call me a "minority" in a bad way now is like a slap in the face. I already had a Flickr pro account back in 2004, when Flickr still needed the money to survive. It doesn't matter that I was sponsored, because I did someone else a favor in order to avoid PayPal. But I was there when Flickr needed me - and now I am frowned upon as "one of the few people who don't like Yahoo - big deal".
Thank you very much, Flickr. I survived the dreaded Fotolog, I will survive this, too. But the bad taste will stay for a long time to come.
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ok, found it ... flickr activity counts as yahoo mail activity
but yeah the issue of IDs being deleted would be nice to know too
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I am sad.
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All answers so far lead me to believe that my Flickr account will be gone in an instant in such a case, but I'm hoping for a definitive answer from staff.
If your Y! ID is terminated by Yahoo, at present it does not lead to instant deletion of your Flickr account. If this happens or has happened to you, drop a line to Help by Email for assistance.
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I too felt a twinge of sadness as I said goodbye to my Old Skool username. I've been around Flickr virtually since the beginning -- I even wrote an article about it back in early 2004 when the site was still all about "shoeboxes."
But my basic attitude about the merge is -- Get over it, people. Flickr might not be around today if Yahoo hadn't scooped it up. For the most part (and I mean 99.99%) Stewart and Caterina have stayed true to the original vision that we all loved so much. If this is the only inconvenience we Old Skool members have to suffer as a result of the acquisition, we're very lucky.
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Here's another concern: Yahoo! and legal lingo. Makes me wonder about the whole TOS thing - after all ALL CAPS ARE NEVER A GOOD SIGN!
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BUT why in the world do they need my phone number?!
Where do they ask for your phone number? They didn't ask me.
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oh flippin great. :/
yahoo is definitely a contumacious exhortation.
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Old Skool people should receive Old Skool badges once they've relegatd their trusty IDs to history, something like "Member since...." (but less lame).
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aqui-ali: "This "Brand Universe" paradigm seems so much more than that, and it seems like the issue was trampled over, in terms of public discourse.
I'm pretty sure everyone on Flickr staff did discuss it at length in the background, but it doesn't come across that way... "
Aqui-ali, I'm being honest when I say I'm not sure what you're talking about. Do you mean mroth's and my posts in the other thread?
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If your Y! ID is terminated by Yahoo, at present it does not lead to instant deletion of your Flickr account. If this happens or has happened to you, drop a line to Help by Email for assistance.
Thanks, Heather! That was the one last thing that was nagging at me.
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SteveFE: You would only need to upgrade your Uploadr if your copy was very old. It almost certainly isn't, since we've added features and fixed bugs since then - Uploadr probably told you to upgrade some time ago and you did.
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"Old Skool people should receive Old Skool badges once they've relegatd their trusty IDs to history"
Your Flickr user name and Yahoo! ID are totally separate; I am not sure if that is what you were worried about with that observation, but I saw I think Quiplash! mention that way back in the thread, so it bears clarification.
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I seem to remember it being promised that we wouldn't be forced to use Yahoo for logging in, but like others I expected that eventually we would be forced to do just that. Whaddayouknow ;-)
My problem is with Yahoo's sending relentless spam. I don't want any more spam from Yahoo and we are paying for this service, after all. Can we get a promise from Yahoo that we won't be inundated by email from them?
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something like "Member since...." (but less lame).
actually, I'd quite like to see something like that totally regardless of the oldskool/yahooskool issue. it occasionally seems like something you'd want to know when looking at someone's profile.
but that doesn't belong in here, really, does it...
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I would like to know what is yahoos internal problem of leaving a service they bought like it is accepted by the users and just collecting the money.
One day they will change the Flickr logo to Yahoo and then it will get more of yahoos damaged reputation.
Example from other business: the Coca Cola Company owns many brands of soft drinks and each of them is a indipendent brand and we think they are from different companies. This keeps the main company reputation clean and allows people who are not interested in coca cola to get something they like.
IMHO it seems that they are not interested in the value of a community and reputation and just want to swallow something and make it yahoo.
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Wade Roush summed it up perfectly well, I may not like Yahoo, but the forced change to Yahoo is very understandable.
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boo hoo yahoo...
i'm disappointed with this finally going ahead. yahoo have subpar services to the community and only care about their advertising revenue.
flickr suddenly leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
i'll see how the merge goes, but if things take a turn for the worse i won't be renewing my pro-account when the time comes.
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@ Stewart: What I mean is that this "Brand Universe" concept usage of Flickr content can be seen as a lot more commercial in intent than when there was a heated discussion in public Flickr about the commercial use of API 2 years ago(give or take). Even using Flickr images in blogs with Adwords came up, and was addressed as being ok, after much discussion (if memory serves me correctly)
This new usage of Flickr content (again, refering to Brand Universe) was very suddenly put into place without any obvious and upfront public discussion, and in my mind certainly did contradict the spirit of what I always understood as Flickr's immense respect for its users images, based on the aforementioned discussion (which I would love to dig up), by way of being so clearly commercial in its intent.
All this seems to me to be entirely in Flickr's and Yahoo's right, as clearly shown by the numerous reprints of TOS on the various forums, and I do understand that Yahoo is a company out to monetize its product. It is also a change in tone from early Flickr.
Ironically I don't think anyone has anything necessarily against Flickr monetizing itself (picture stock photography as an opt-in feature, for example = win/win for Yahoo and users).
This Brand Universe concept though seems so much more underhanded by way of implementation, and the win/win equation appears to be less balanced, if that makes sense...
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I switched to Y! Account after reading the announcement, before finding this important note:
"I'm going to delete my Yahoo! account. What happens to my Flickr photos? If you associated your Flickr account with your Yahoo! ID and you delete your Yahoo! account, you won't be able to sign in to your Flickr account. And all your photos will be deleted."
Unfortunately, my Y! is spammed and hardly use it, while my Flickr ID is absolutely spam-free. All my photos will be deleted? Suddenly, I missed my Flickr Ol' Skool status...
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aqui-ali: there's still some power in the community. As long as Yahoo wants to take advantage of a random API feed, say via certain Tags, then they have to risk hanging themselves with the same.
For instance, the Brand Universe issue with the Nintendo Wii discussed elsewhere, a Yahoo page was feeding Flickr images (thumbnails) via the "wii" tag to their Wii page. Flickr folk got pissed, as many of the images were all rights reserved, or CC with no commercial use allowed. So Flickr folk started flooding their own images with "Wii" tags, including signage saying "this image stolen by Yahoo", etc. And those image shortly started appearing on the Wii page.
Soon after, and via swift intervention of Flickr staff, the Yahoo page developers fixed their issue, now only pulling in images with the correct CC license that allows such things.
If it weren't fixed, and allowed to simmer much longer, I'm certain it wouldn't be long before some decent hard core porn started getting "wii" tags and popping up on their family-friendly page. In fact it'll probably take a few embarrassing spankings like that for Yahoo to learn not to piss us off.
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For Brenda Anderson: Phone number required
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@Searcher: ya, like I said in the wii thread, this is efficient consumer action. Yahoo got pwned.
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Okay, I just received my kitten. But I'm having trouble getting it out of the plastic bag. You guys really sealed it tight!
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disappointed. I do not appreciate being co-opted by yahoo!
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pandarine, that's yahoo? where in yahoo? my account pages look totally different. and the only fields I have filled in are "Agatha" and "87 years old". and this little bit on hobbies where Agatha likes to experiment with liquid latex body painting. but that was optional. maybe mine pre-dates that? or are you on a page for some commerce thing, some other part of yahoo?
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Pandarine, I've just replied on your screen capture. As The Seacher just said, "that's yahoo?" The screen capture I sent to you was from about 5 minutes ago.
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Pandarine -- try this. Log completely out of Flickr. Click on the "Sign Up Now" link. That's the page I was at yesterday when I created a new Y!ID. The only personal info that I had to give were: First name, Last Name, Gender, Birthdate, Zipcode. I also had to choose a UserID, Password, and a Security Question/Answer.
{Edited to Add} I don't think that this is an intrusive amount of information to provide. I think I provided more to the New York Times when I created my account with them. There's no Phone Number, no Address, no Income information or Industry (which never includes me).
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